"The seas be ours and by the powers, where we will we'll roam."

[darnaguen]

So. I went to see it tonight.
And while I'm still not exactly fond of the way it ended, I... I can accept it.

I'm a shipper, I admit, but I still found it quite strange how practically 90% of the J/E interaction and hints about Jack's deeper feelings for Elizabeth and vice versa that were in the scripts, books and even trailers/clips were for some reason cut out of the film.
Like they wanted to make 100% sure that everyone thought Will/Elizabeth were the only possible choice. What happened to the love triangle(/quadrangle/pyramid), I wonder?
The way it was presented in the film made it seem like Jack indeed was only a bump in the road for E/W, that there never really was anything between them other than some random, harmless (well, the Kiss of Death was rather un-harmless :p) flirting. (And yes, I know it was at least supposed to be more than that, according to the writers anyway. Not some grand epic true love, but more like this kindred spirits/deep understanding kind of bond. "Peas in a pod, darlin'".)

But while you can sigh with relief, audrah, I do think it was still quite obvious that Jack truly did love her, and maybe she did love him as well.
"It wouldn't have worked between us." Throwing half-jokingly his own words back at him.
"Keep telling yourself that, darling." and those sad smiles and the way she leaned in to kiss him goodbye but he told her not to with that heartbreaking, wistful chuckle. Awh.

Oh hell. Now I'm actually crying. Bloody movie. *wipes tears and curses her oversensitivity*
But then again, who am I kidding? I had my own reasons of wanting Jack and Lizzie to at least remain friends while Will (See? I didn't call him Captain Whelp! :]) was off delivering the souls of the dead to the afterlife. Because to me they would have represented a kind of ideal couple, freedom-loving kindred souls and comrades in arms and adventure. Like a new version of Calico Jack and Anne Bonny, my favourite pirates.
After the film I discussed it with Ella quite a bit. She was happy with the E/W ending (though even she was a bit confused about that "hanging around on some island with a kid" part) because their relationship fits into her view of an ideal relationship, I guess. She's looking for safety and stability while I guess I'm more of a wanderer. Not that I think safety and stability are bad things or anything, but I just... need to be free, I guess.
Though I guess Ella is right when she says it also makes me lonely, but "I can't help it, it's in me nature." (Wow, did I just quote Calypso? *chuckle*)

Argh. I guess I should go catch some Z's now, I'm losing my train of thought. Maybe I'll write more tomorrow unless I'm too busy trying to prevent all hell from breaking loose on the NW forum. We really could use someone like Barbossa there, already.
Ooh, or Teague: "Quit bitchin', ye pilsrats, or I shall smite ye with me guitar!" *wicked grin*
Okay, he wouldn't even need to say that, really. Teague is love. \,,/

(Ew! A mental image of that awful beach-makeout scene just flashed into my mind. Aaaieeh! Banish the thought! Banish the thought! O_O)

Comments

[lumenlaulu.livejournal.com]

Nice to hear that you're not totally heartbroken of the way the film ended. Not my favorite ending too. I'm a bit disappointed that Elizabeth decided to leave her free life as a sea roaming pirateking and settle down. Not my cup of tea. It would have worked IF Will and Elizabeth truly had been amazing couple from the beginning, but I never believed in their love, though I'm a huge romantic. I love unhappy endings, great love stories and such, but this was never ever like that. The ending is like warm water: quite nice, but nothing to get excited for. But they still have a chance to make sequel, don't they? ;)

[darnaguen.livejournal.com]

Yep, exactly. Will and Elizabeth as a couple have always been kinda 'blah' to me. In the first movie they were okay though nothing special and in the second movie I started noticing that though their puppylove was kinda cute and all, I just couldn't sympathize with their troubles to get married etc. (especially because not soon after she gets Jack in her sight again it's like Will never existed O_o). And well, let's face it, the interactions between Jack and Elizabeth have always had more spark, spunk, humor and chemistry. And as I said on the NW forum, knowing that Orlando and Keira are like good beer-buddies in real life doesn't help getting over the fact that they just don't give off a "star-crossed lovers" vibe on screen when you pretty much expect Liz to punch Will playfully in shoulder and ruffle his hair or something any minute.
Had the characters' relationship really been like that, I'd probably been able to buy it, but well, it wasn't. *chuckle*

I don't really have a problem with a W/E ending in general as I knew all along it's the most probable choice, but somehow this just feels like it was force-fed to us. Maybe I'm just biased but it feels strange, especially knowing that the bloody beach love scene was added to the film as late as in February. Strange.

But indeed, the film should have at least made it clear that she did carry on with her responsibilities as the new ruler of the pirates, maybe living in the Shipwreck Cove or something (well, the island in the end could have been the Shipwreck Island, but it looked more like England or something), having her kid grow up listening to Teague's tales with maybe Uncle Jack stopping by to see them every now and then. I'm quite sure the kid grows up to be a Jack fanboy extraordinaire anyway, though. :D

(Whoops, this became quite a ramble. *blush*)

[lumenlaulu.livejournal.com]

Nah, I'm just happy that I can finally talk about this film and expecially about the ending, so rambling is quite acceptable. ;) I'm with you, Darna, about the chemistry between Jack and Elizabeth and I hated the beach love scene. The whole "get married while fighting" was not working either. Nice idea but wrong couple.

Elizabeth does not look like a pirate in the ending: more like a decent housewife with a well clad kid. I'd like to think that she would still stay among the pirates, but the ending is so vague. Room for fan fiction, definitely.

[darnaguen.livejournal.com]

Fanfiction, oh yes. Thank goodness this fandom has such brilliant and creative writers. Just a while ago I read this fantastic fic where Jack, James and a pregnant Elizabeth are sitting in Jack's cabin, drinking, snarking at each other lovingly (no, it's not a threesome, James is just a good friend of theirs :p) and trying to come up with a name for Jack and Liz's baby. It had me laughing SO much. If only... *sigh*

And I'm very glad that someone agrees with me because most people I know dislike/hate Elizabeth, are into slash or just generally against J/E. :)
The "wedding in the middle of the Epic Battle of Doom" was indeed somewhat cool idea, but yeah, the couple was totally wrong. Barbossa, being made of awesome like he is, managed to make it entertaining at least, though.

I'm hoping there will be some deleted/extended/alternative scenes on the DVD version of the film when it comes out because as far as I know, a lot was cut from the film we saw in theaters. And also maybe some explanations in form of a commentary or two because I feel sorry enough for those poor writers to not want to go to Wordplayer to bother them with questions they already have to answer daily (and the feminist uproar caused by the Housewife Lizzie ending must have driven them quivering nerve-wrecks :p).

[lumenlaulu.livejournal.com]

At first I did not care much about Elizabeth. Keira Knightley is somewhat dull actress and there is nothing interesting in her too perfect looks, BUT the second PotC made me like her character, due to the little "thing" between Liz and Jack. Heck, I wanted to be Elizabeth in that film. :) I'm sure there'll be loads of deleted material in the DVD-version.

[shadow-wolfess.livejournal.com]

I'm dying of curioisity, but I still want to be spoiler-free when I`ll go to see it on Friday, so I skipped your post in case there are any spoilers ;p

[darnaguen.livejournal.com]

Hehee, get ready to quite a hullabaloo. You'll probably be laughing, crying and going "WTF?!" ;p

[audrah.livejournal.com]

Ah, well, I'm still not sure if I want to go see it or not... Reflecting on what you said eariler, I might just pretend 2 & 3 never existed.
But I am happy about the ending, though not about the fact that I'm sure (even without seeing the film) that they loved each other. (or 'loved' each other, as I would say)
We'll see, we'll see, if I manage to think of it as only a movie and put aside my obsessive feelings for Jack. We'll see...

[darnaguen.livejournal.com]

Like I just said in my newest post, it's worth seeing just because it has Barbossa, Capt. Teague (aka Daddy Sparrow, who absolutely ROCKS) and brilliant music. And Jack of course, even though I'm not sure if you'll like the way he's portrayed. He's pretty serious-bordering-melancholic most of the time and even more addled-brained. But hey, at least there's a scene with him shirtless. In a way. ;p

(And when I said they loved each other, I meant deep caring which to me is just as beautiful as so-called romantic love. But I'll drop the subject as I could analyze the relationships of these characters ad infinitum.)